Success of Players Taken in the Top 150 Over a Ten Year Sample; Can Huntington Evaluate Talent?

With the 2012 draft behind us, I thought it would be fun to look at some drafts of recent vintage. All of this data came from baseball-reference.com. I pulled in the top 150 picks from each draft for the ten year period from 1996 to 2005. I figure if anyone from the 2005 draft hasn’t already arrived, they are not likely to be in impact player in the future. I wanted to look at a couple of things. First, how often do these picks make the Show? Second, how has quality of the draft varied yearly? Also, what effect does taking high school kids versus college kids make? Lastly, which teams do pretty well and which teams don’t? I also look at how Neal Huntington did during his time in Cleveland.

Typically the top 150 picks would take the league into the early to middle part of the fifth round. It depended on how many supplemental picks there were. So, every team isn’t represented with an equal number of picks.

In spite of my misgivings about WAR (expressed in an blog earlier this week), I’m using that stat (from baseball-reference.com) because I needed to be able to measure pitchers and hitters all together.

Results by Draft Position
I broke the draft positions into 15 different slots, with ten picks per slot. So, picks 1 through 10 are in the first slot. For each slot, 100 different picks were made (ten years time ten picks) over the course of the study. Is there a big spread among these slots for accumulated WAR and if so, at what point does that spread become narrow enough as to be inconsequential? What percent of each slot actually makes it to the Majors even if only for a day. I also list the highest single player career WAR along with who that player is. I also list the lowest WAR among all those players who actually made it to the Majors.

Draft Position % in MLB Total WAR Max WAR Best Worst
1-10 75 828.3 42.4 J.D. Drew John Van Benschoten
11-20 71 484.8 50.4 Utley/Sabathia Dee Brown
21-30 63 236.9 27.6 Matt Cain Brandon Wood
31-40 54 152.3 35.3 David Wright Buddy Carlyle
41-50 51 156.3 38.1 Jimmy Rollins Jo-Jo Reyes
51-60 50 185.1 33.1 Carl Crawford Rocky Biddle
61-70 47 159.1 27.8 Dustin Pedroia Andrew Miller
71-80 42 149.7 32.1 Dan Haren Jason Grabowski
81-90 33 93.6 18.2 Justin Morneau Kory Casto
91-100 36 32.2 10.5 Scott Downs Charlie Morton
101-110 37 96.7 30.9 Cliff Lee Todd Wellemeyer
111-120 38 94.0 21.5 Josh Johnson Peter Bergeron
121-130 31 21.0 9.0 Eric Byrnes Lance Cormier
131-140 42 73.2 19.1 Chone Figgins Hayden Penn
141-150 23 51.8 24.0 Michael Young Chad Meyers

There is a drop between each of the first four slots. Then picks 31 to 80 produce a relatively equal amount of quality. It drops off form there as we approach pick #100 and fluctuates between 21 WAR and 97 WAR over the final 70 picks in this study.

Including the first time J.D. Drew was picked, 25 picks made in the Top 10 failed to reach the Show. Those include eight guys picked in the first five (excluding Drew). They were Matt Bush (Padres), Chris Gruler (Reds), Kyle Sleeth (Tigers), Corey Myers (DBacks), Mike Stodolka (Royals), B.J. Garbe (Twins), Clint Everts (Expos) and another Royal, Chris Lubanski. Bush was the most recent of those picks, taken in 2004.

Results by Year
Similar questions, but now looking at it year-by-year.

Year # in MLB Total WAR Max WAR Best
1996 71 230.4 38.1 Jimmy Rollins
1997 67 293.8 49.1 Lance Berkman
1998 62 329.8 50.4 C.C. Sabathia
1999 61 344.0 33.1 Carl Crawford
2000 64 242.2 50.4 Chase Utley
2001 73 297.2 42.3 Mark Teixeira
2002 68 367.9 30.5 Curtis Granderson
2003 70 241.7 20.4 Nick Markakis
2004 82 205.6 29.2 Justin Verlander
2005 75 262.4 27.6 Ryan Braun
2006 65 129.6 27.5 Evan Longoria
2007 55 76.5 10.0 David Price
2008 54 44.8 6.6 Brett Lawrie

Through the first five years of this study, 65 out of 150 picks on average would get to the Big Leagues. In the next five years, that moved up to almost 74 out of 150. A couple of possible reasons for that that I can come up with. First is that the information age has made it easier/simpler to get good data and video on prospects and allowed teams to draft smarter. Second, as bonus money continued to rise, general managers felt more pressure to get their picks to the Show even if they weren’t really playing well enough to earn the promotion. I tossed the drafts for 2006, 2007 and 2008 on there as well. It looks like we’ll continue to see a higher percentage of the top 150 make the Majors.

Results by Type of School and Position
Do the best players come from high school or college? What position is least likely to be drafted? I list players in the position that is listed for them on draft day. So, Mark Teixeira is a 3B even though he spent just 15 games in the Majors at third.

Type Pos # of Picks # in the Majors Total WAR Max WAR Best
4 Yr College LHP 123 71 224.5 32.9 Barry Zito
RHP 279 125 341.2 32.1 Dan Haren
C 61 36 48.0 16.2 Brandon Inge
1B 31 14 118.8 49.1 Lance Berkman
2B 14 8 70.4 50.4 Chase Utley
SS 60 34 183.4 27.8 Dustin Pedroia
3B 29 19 177.7 42.3 Mark Teixeira
OF 115 63 291.0 42.4 J.D. Drew
4 Year Total 712 370 1455
Type Pos # of Picks # in the Majors Total WAR Max WAR Best
High School LHP 102 50 163.3 50.4 C.C. Sabathia
RHP 243 100 325.4 31.8 Josh Beckett
C 69 23 160.4 33.9 Joe Mauer
1B 29 11 79.4 25.8 Adrian Gonzalez
2B 3 2 3.5 2.0 Josh Barfield
SS 93 43 179.9 38.1 Jimmy Rollins
3B 46 17 111.9 35.3 David Wright
OF 135 51 253.8 33.1 Carl Crawford
HS Total 720 297 1277.6
Type Pos # of Picks # in the Majors Total WAR Max WAR Best
Jr College LHP 10 4 -2.4 0.4 Matt Chico
RHP 26 7 31.3 22.3 John Lackey
C 2 0 - - -
1B 5 0 - - -
2B 2 2 5.8 6.6 Scott Hairston
SS 7 5 -0.7 2.7 Nook Logan
3B 5 3 4.4 2.7 Nate Schierholtz
OF 8 3 26.6 20.4 Nick Markakis
JC Total 65 24 65

There are three players missing from the tallies above, two from Puerto Rico and one from Cuba. Yunel Escobar with 17.8 WAR in his career is the only one of consequence.

Looking at the numbers: 4 year college players are more likely to make it. The average among college kids who make it is 3.9 WAR. High school players make it less frequency, but the ones who do posted an average of 4.3 WAR. Junior College players are inconsequential with two players – Markakis and Lackey – accounting for nearly 2/3 of the WAR.

If you play second base in high school, switch positions. If you play second base in college and your name isn’t Chase Utley, switch positions. Other than high school second baseman, the other slot with a low average WAR per Major League player is collegiate catcher (uh oh Tony Sanchez). College lefties fair better than high school lefties.

The average value for the best from the positions listed is 36.7 for four year colleges and 31.3 for high school. The biggest discrepancy is at second. The college numbers are skewed upward by Utley and the high school numbers are almost non-existant. If you take second base out of the equation, the peak college performer is 34.7 WAR on average versus 35.5 WAR for high school.

Results by Franchise

Franchise # of picks # in the Majors Total WAR Three Best
Phillies 42 21 220.4 Utley, Rollins, Hamels
A’s 61 34 167.7 Zito, Chavez, Mulder
Nationals 55 21 139.4 Cliff Lee, Sizemore, Zimmerman
Cardinals 51 25 139.1 J.D. Drew, Haren, Adam Kennedy
Rangers 49 27 131.1 Teixeira, Carlos Pena, Danks
Blue Jays 51 28 130.6 Vernon Wells, Michael Young, Alex Rios
Twins 57 26 130.6 Mauer, Morneau, Scott Baker
Rockies 53 27 123.9 Tulowitzki, Figgins, Aaron Cook
Red Sox 52 27 119.6 Pedroia, Lester, Papelbon
Tigers 53 28 114.7 Granderson, Verlander, Inge
Brewers 46 17 114.5 Braun, Sheets, Hardy
Marlins 47 26 114.2 Beckett, A. Gonzalez, J. Johnson
Angels 46 21 109.0 Glaus, Jered Weaver, Lackey
Braves 53 29 90.3 McCann, Wainwright, Yunel Escobar
Astros 44 18 84.6 Berkman, Pence, Lidge
Rays 41 26 82.8 Crawford, Josh Hamilton, B.J. Upton
Orioles 55 24 80.4 Brian Roberts, Werth, Markakis
Royales 58 26 70.9 Greinke, DeJesus, Alex Gordon
Mets 43 19 70.7 Wright, Kazmir, Angel Pagan
Indians 56 16 68.1 Sabathia, Jeremy Guthrie, Garko
Yankees 46 18 63.7 Eric Milton, Brett Gardner, Nick Johnson
Pirates 46 17 62.2 McCutchen, Chris Young, Benson
Cubs 51 20 61.6 Garland, Prior, Scott Downs
Reds 50 18 59.5 Votto, Dunn, Kearns
Giants 50 25 56.6 Cain, Noah Lowry, Linebrink
D-Backs 41 22 54.9 Stephen Drew, Justin Upton, Cust
White Sox 61 31 52.7 Rowand, Crede, Gio Gonzalez
Mariners 41 17 32.6 Meche, Adam Jones, Matt Thornton
Dodgers 48 22 29.9 Billingsley, Loney, Broxton
Padres 53 17 29.7 Chase Headley, Khalil Green, Burroughs

A couple of things to note with this. First, there are plenty of good players missing. Some were taken in drafts of more recent vintage (Tim Lincecum taken in 2006) and some were taken in later rounds (Matt Kemp was a sixth round pick in 2003). Some guys who are still mashing were taken earlier than than 1996 (Paul Konerko). Some guys were not drafted, like Miguel Cabrera. So, this is a measurement of how well teams did with their selections among the top 150 in this ten year period.

First glance: makes sense the Pirates are in the bottom third. Player development has been putrid. The Yankees are just above them. But they aren’t getting credit for international signee Robinson Cano or the still relatively productive Derek Jeter. Plus, they have a huge payroll. That’s a steep drop off a cliff for the Reds once you move beyond Votto and Dunn. Too bad the Expos traded for Bartolo Colon. The Indians fleeced them.

The Phillies were unbelievably good during this period. They drafted nine players who posted a 10 or higher career WAR value. Ryan Howard doesn’t even crack their top three. The Blue Jays, Brewers and Twins are next up with six players posting a career WAR of 10 or better. The Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Mariners, Padres and Pirates were the only teams not to develop a player with a career WAR of 15 or higher. Barring something unforeseen, Stephen Drew, Justin Upton, Chad Billingsley, Adam Jones, Andrew McCutchen and Chase Headley will top 15 career WAR.

Top and Bottom
Here are the top 20 players in terms of WAR for the drafts examined:
CC Sabathia 50.4
Chase Utley 50.4
Lance Berkman 49.1
J.D. Drew 42.4
Mark Teixeira 42.3
Jimmy Rollins 38.1
David Wright 35.3
Troy Glaus 35.0
Joe Mauer 33.9
Carl Crawford 33.1
Barry Zito 32.9
Eric Chavez 32.6
Dan Haren 32.1
Josh Beckett 31.8
Cliff Lee 30.9
Curtis Granderson 30.5
Justin Verlander 29.2
Zack Greinke 27.8
Dustin Pedroia 27.8
Matt Cain 27.6
Ryan Braun 27.6

Here are the bottom 20:
Jo-Jo Reyes -4.1
Brandon Wood -4.0
Andrew Miller -3.9
John Van Benschoten -3.6
Rocky Biddle -3.5
Dewon Brazelton -3.5
Hayden Penn -3.5
Dee Brown -3.3
Peter Bergeron -3.2
Garrett Olson -3.1
Charlie Morton -3.0
Aaron Myette -2.8
Blaine Boyer -2.4
Koyie Hill -2.4
Tim Drew -2.3
Buddy Carlyle -2.1
Todd Linden -2.1
Lance Cormier -2.1
Craig Hansen -2.1
Eric Munson -2.0
Chad Allen -2.0
Denny Stark -2.0
Jason Grabowski -2.0
Eric Munson -2.0
Casey Fossum -2.0
Joe Borchard -2.0
Phil Dumatrait -2.0
Chris Nelson -2.0

I might be missing some, but including guys who were with (or are with) Pittsburgh (including the minors), I count seven Pirates on the list – Reyes, Wood, Van Benschoten, Penn, Morton, Hansen and
Dumatrait.

Comments on the Indians Drafts
Why Cleveland? Because in November 1998, Neal Huntington took over as the Tribe’s Director of Player Development. Three years later, he was promoted to Assistant GM while, according to the Pirates 2012 media guide, ‘concentrating particularly in player evaluation, acquisition and retention.’ So, I feel comfortable saying that Huntington has had an intimate involvement in drafting and developing players either for the Tribe or the Pirates since the 1999 draft and season. How has he done?

The Indians 1999 draft produced four Major Leaguers. Pitchers Jason Davis and Fernando Cabrera were the only two with a career of any length and they both posted career ERA+ numbers worse than league average. Cabrera was eventually waived and then picked up by another club. Davis was traded to Seattle for a career minor leaguer in 2007.

Things were kind of better in 2000. The Indians drafted Ryan Church who went on to an 8.4 WAR career. However, he was traded to Montreal for reliever Scott Stewart before taking a Big League swing for the Tribe. Stewart would post an ERA of worse than seven in 23 appearances for the Indians. Goofy reliever Brian Wilson was drafted in 2000, but didn’t sign. OF Joe Inglett was the next best player that Cleveland drafted and signed in 2000. He spent parts of six years in the Show and left with a career OPS+ of less than 100. He left Cleveland in 2007 on the waiver wire.

Luke Scott was one of three picks in 2001 draft that made the Majors. He also was traded before donning the uni of the big team. He went to Houston for pitcher Jeriome Robertson. Scott is currently active with the Rays. He has a career OPS+ of 119 and has hit 20 or more homers in three different seasons. A 15 game winner with Houston in 2003, Robertson pitched in just eight games for the Indians in 2004 and struggled mightily in the Majors and minors that season. He wouldn’t pitch again in the Show after 2004 and perished in a motorcycle accident in 2010.

2002 first round pick Jeremy Guthrie pitched 16 games for the Indians over three seasons before being waived. He was picked up by Baltimore where he has been part of their rotation since 2007. The second best player from that draft, Ben Francisco, has posted decent numbers (OPS+ of 102 and a current Blue Jay) while primarily playing a fourth outfielder role. Francisco was sent to Philly in the Cliff Lee deal after Huntington was hired by Pittsburgh. Anderson High School grad (my alma mater) Jensen Lewis was also picked in 2002. He didn’t sign but would be drafted again in 2005 by the Indians. He spent four years as a reliever for the Tribe, posting pretty solid numbers.

From the 2003 draft, Kevin Kouzmanoff posted the best career with a 5.7 WAR. He is just shy of 100 career homers and has a career OPS+ of 95. He is in AAA Omaha with KC. The Indians picked up second baseman Josh Barfield for him and Barfield spent one awful season as a starter for the Indians. After that came catcher Ryan Garko with a 2.5 WAR and pitcher Aaron Laffey. He spent some league average time as a member of the Indians rotation before being converted to a reliever and bouncing around the league. He is currently starting at AAA with Toronto.

The most significant acquisition in the 2004 draft was lefty Tony Sipp. He is a career reliever with a WAR of less than 2.0. After three pretty solid years, he remains in the Cleveland bullpen but is having a rough 2012. Jeremy Sowers was their #1 pick that year. He is out of baseball after struggling as a starter for parts of four years. Wyatt Toregas and Chris Gimenez were both drafted that year and neither did anything of substance in the Big Leagues.

The 2005 draft would’ve been wonderful had the Indians been able to sign 42nd round pick Tim Lincecum. They also picked current Rays OF Desmond Jennings, but he also didn’t sign. The best they have is aforementioned reliever Jensen Lewis. OF Trevor Crowe posted a negative WAR in over 200 career games.

It might be too early to judge the 2006 draft. The Indians had six of the top 101 picks in the draft. The only hitter to make the Majors is utility infielder Josh Rodriguez. He did that as a member of the Pirates. David Huff made nearly 75 starts in the Majors and is currently in the minors with the Tribe. He has a career ERA+ of 74 and a negative WAR. 20th round pick Vinnie Pestano has been the best of the bunch. He continues to pitch effectively out of Cleveland’s bullpen in 2012. 19th round pick Josh Tomlin exhibited great control and a worse than league average ERA in winning 12 times in 2011. He is with the Big Club again in 2012.

It is also likely too early to judge the 2007 draft. But the results so far don’t look good. Matt Hague was drafted but didn’t sign. We know what happened to him. The only other player to crack the Majors from the draft so far is reliever Josh Judy who compiled a 7.07 ERA in twelve appearances in 2011.

During his tenure in Cleveland, the Indians drafted and developed three hitters who had or have a career WAR of better than 5.0. Two of them – Ryan Church and Luke Scott – where traded for little return before donning a Big League uniform. Kevin Kouzmanoff spent a brief period in Cleveland before being traded for a player who lasted just over a year with the Indians. My conclusion is that the Indians did a poor job of drafting when Huntington was involved.

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  • ElGaupo77

    The article is very thorough but the “worst” and “bottom 20″ are irrelevant. If this was football and everyone drafted played in the Majors it would be a different story. Yes Phil Dumatrit had a -2.0 WAR but he was one of the 30% of the Top 150 that actually made it to the show. It’s like discounting the person who finished last in his 100m dash heat at the Olympics.

    • RandyLinville

      You are absolutely correct. The players listed as the worst or in the bottom 20 have nothing to be ashamed of. The reason I listed the lowest and worst was as a means of reference. Some of the player were utterly forgettable. But a number of them are players that are easily recalled by fans, especially since several of them played for Pittsburgh.

  • Lee Young

    The draft IS a crap shoot. Soooooooooooooooo….are we saying NH is one of the crappier GMs????

    • RandyLinville

      I think his record in drafting/acquiring/developing hitting talent is abhorrent. Since 2008, when NH took over the club, Pittsburgh has had nine different hitters post an OPS+ of 100 or more cumulatively over 200 more at bats between 2008 and now. Eight of them were holdovers from the old regime. Of those eight, only two weren’t already in the Bigs by 2008 – Cutch and Walker. So, maybe he gets a bit of credit for seeing them through their final time in the minors – maybe. The other is Doug Mientkiewicz.

      It is funny in a not-so-ha-ha kind of way to look at the list of players brought in from the outside who were enormous flops at the plate – Church, Crosby, Wood, Overbay, Milledge, LaRoche, Moss, Delwyn Young, Xavier Paul, Jason Michaels, Matt Diaz, Iwamura, Clement. There are more. But I’m going to stop there.

      I think we are in deep trouble in the minors in terms of hitting talent as well. We have Marte, Bell and Grossman. Clement is past being a prospect, but he will likely be back with the big club (and hopefully he will rake). I don’ t expect much from Sanchez. If Pedro Alvarez doesn’t become a middle of the order threat, this team’s immediate offensive future will be bleak.

      • Lee Young

        not a Sanchez fan either….however, in all fairness to Neil, he has concentrated on pitching in the draft. Even the Sanchez pick was so that they could take lots of pitching.

        This team reminds me of the old Steelers in the early 70s. NO OFFENSE. But fantastic defense.

        If I had a choice…..ask KC how it is to have no pitching, but good young hitters. Pr the ‘old’ Texas Rangers.

        I’ll take defense and pitching any day of the week. Even our Lumber company had some very underrated pitching.

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        • RandyLinville

          No question that NH has concentrated on pitching in the draft over the last couple of years (seven of the first ten picks in 2008 were hitters versus four of ten in 2009, just one of ten in 2010 and four of ten in 2011). And I give him credit for putting together an excellent staff at the Major League level this year. It is his inability to do anything with the offense that will likely doom this club (unless he does actually do something at the Major League level).

          Earlier this year I wrote about how the bad offense was likely to ruin this club (http://blogs.piratesprospects.com/bandi/recent-history-suggests-the-slow-offensive-start-has-doomed-this-club/). Even in the midst of this 12-3 stretch, the offense has been league average (which is their best 15 game stretch on the year).

          I think the low run production will catch up to this team and it will fall out of contention. I hope I’m 100% wrong and I hope this team is one where people look back and say ‘remember when the Pirates couldn’t score any runs and still made the playoffs?’

  • http://twitter.com/jlease717 John Lease

    This also explains some of the fascination Neil has had with some of these guys who have cycled thru here, like Church and Jason Davis. He had them when they were bright shiny new picks. I think your conclusion is correct, Neil hasn’t done a great job. He should get some kudos for realizing what a horror Van Benschoten was. Worst 1st round pick ever, worse than the guys who never panned out. A remarkably bad pitcher, really 1800′s bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexander.doug Douglas Alexander

    Very interesting read, but I think averaging the WAR across draft picks would be more useful when comparing College/HS/JUCO picks. When you do this several things are clear. Pitchers have the same WAR per pick average across all three levels, except for LHP out of JUCO.
    RHP College: 1.22 WAR average
    RHP HS: 1.34
    JUCO: 1.2

    LHP College: 1.8
    LHP HS: 1.6

    Position players taken out of college blow their HS counterparts away:

    C: .78
    1B: 3.83
    2B: 5.02
    SS: 3.05
    3B: 6.12
    OF: 2.53

    High School

    C: 2.32
    1B: 2.73
    2B: 1.16
    SS: 1.93
    3B: 2.43
    OF: 1.88

    Obviously college catchers are the exception, they do terribly. HS 2B shouldn’t be counted since there are only 3 of them, SSS.